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  Circumstantial proof that Rutherford was The Evil Slave

  by Deleted in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  call me sentimental but i like these people:.

  http://www.heraldmag.org/.

  in the page on troubled years - when rutherford took over, it said this:.

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  RR

  I'd be very interested to see your post too on Russell paying off Rutherford

  Me too!

  (Can I buy one of your CDs when you're finished?)

  Thanks,

  Ken
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  Contributions? Wait On Jehovah!

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  clearly, there is every earmark of financial worries within the watchtower society.. even governing body members have expressed concern about falling contribution levels.

  within congregations.

  yet, for the faithful, the answer is simple: wait on jehovah.. .

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  Metratron's quite right--the GB are seriously worried over the falling level of contributions. He's also spot-on in advising the faithful to 'wait on Jehovah.'

  Remember Pastor Russell's words in the second issue of the Watch Tower? In August 1879 he wrote:

  ?Zion ?s Watch Tower has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: ?All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,? fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.?

  In spite of this promise, never before have there been so many Society letters, Watchtower and Kingdom Ministry articles begging for money. A year or so ago, the CO?s Thursday talk was titled ?Honour Jehovah With Your Valuable Things.? It was one hour-long beg for money.

  So what is proplog2's beef?

  You seem to be a real gusher of hateful propaganda.

  Hateful propaganda? Not a chance. Hurtful truths, perhaps, but then the truth often hurts.

  So, proplog2, do you agree with the Pastor's words, which many JWs over the decades have taken as an article of faith?

  Okay, perhaps the article didn't use the specific expression 'wait on Jehovah.' But even you must accept that a similar sentiment is expressed.

  I am sure they aren't worrying about money.

  Oh yes? You're really sure, are you? Hmm, if so, why do they talk about it so often, and ask for it so regularly? And how regularly do these articles appear in the Watchtower patiently explaining all the various ways the faithful can donate to the Society? Is it every six months, every year? Not really in keeping with the Pastor's words, are they?

  Regards,

  Ken
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  This is about out beloved Dansk

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how sorry i was to hear from dansk-he is going through a very difficult time.. i would like all prayers, thoughts, please keep this in mind ____ for me!!!!.

  the sad news he has cancer.it is lymphoma!!!

  they are waiting on the results of the biopsy before determining treatment..... he didnt want me to say anything at first- as he feels you all have your own problems & he didnt want to upset anyone-because he says "they are dear friends".

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  Hi Dansk,

  I am feeling VERY upbeat about this.

  I was very sorry to hear of your illness and hope everything continues to go well for you.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  No more "Governing Body"?

  by Butterflygal in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the april edition of ex-jw peter barnes newletter, "out of darkness", i found the following statement: "in recent years, the society has dropped the term "governing body", but in practice it is still operating.

  " i was shocked to read this.

  i had not heard anything about it.

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  In the April edition of ex-JW Peter Barnes newletter, "Out of Darkness", I found the following statement: "In recent years, the Society has dropped the term "Governing Body", but in practice it is still operating."

  I suspect someone's heard a whisper of a change, but it's got mixed up in the telling (just like Chinese whispers ).

  I've heard that the Governing Body are stopping using the term President when referring to the chairman of the Governing Body, even when they were the same. This is to try to persuade the 'sheep' of the fiction that there has always been a separation between the 'legal' corporations (which are massively wealthy) and the 'spiritual' Governing Body (whose members are all paupers and have taken, along with every other member of the Bethel family, a vow of poverty).

  This is utterly shameful of them, as its purpose is to try to insulate the corporations from the potentially massive claims of child abuse victims. (This is also the reason behind the multitude of new corporations formed a few years ago: the idea was to 'dilute' the assets held by any one corporation.)

  For an example, see July 1, 2004 Watchtower, page 26, 27: "So when Nathan H. Knorr, who at the time was taking the lead in the worldwide Kingdom work... In January 1942, when Brother Rutherford died, Nathan was given the responsibility of oversight of the worldwide work of Jehovah's Witnesses."

  Regards,

  Ken
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  A new type of shunning?

  by Mark in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a baptized brother in a local congregation stopped attending meetings months ago.

  he hasn't been disfellowshipped, nor has he taken any steps to disassociate himself from the congregation.

  he hasn't even been marked or privately reproved - god, i hate this type of cultish lingo, he just stopped attending meetings.

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  DY

  Oh yes. That's called 'marking' a person, and it's a practice done at the private judgement of the individual Witnesses.

  I agree with your sentiments, though the technicalities are slightly different to what you describe.

  Marking is only initiated by the elders, after the publisher has rejected--by word or deed--their "Scriptural" counsel. They next arrange for a sufficiently explicit talk to be given during the Service Meeting that all the congregation know who is being targetted without them being actually named.

  The QfR below gives full details of the grizzly process.

  Edited to add:

  Mark

  As you can see, it's not a new type of shunning: the first reference to it I found in WT Library is w73 5/15 318-320.

  Regards,

  Ken

  *** w99 7/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

  In summary, then: The congregation elders take the lead in offering help and counsel if someone is walking disorderly. If he does not see the error of his way but continues to be an unwholesome influence, the elders may warn the congregation by means of a talk that makes clear the Biblical view?be it of dating unbelievers, or whatever the improper course is. (1 Corinthians 7:39; 2 Corinthians 6:14) Christians in the congregation who are thus alerted can individually decide to limit any socializing with ones who clearly are pursuing a disorderly course but who are still brothers.
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  FORMER ELDERS CAN YOU PLEASE HELP??

  by MZINDEPENDENT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, i am writing because i was disfellowshipped a week and a half ago.

  i have not been to the meeting in over two and a half years.

  you would think they would leave me alone.

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  Hi Mz I,

  Welcome here, I was sorry to read your story.

  Would you consider going to the newspapers--it's the sort of thing they love, human interest, unfair practices, etc?

  JWs fear bad publicity and public mockery almost as much as lawsuits!

  It would depend, of course, on whether you'd mind any details being made public.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  What religious groups do the jws draw most converts from?

  by badboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what % of converts are former rc/luther/baptist etc etc?

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  I'd have to agree with the Catholic thing. Most of the Witnesses largest increases appear to be in latin america, predominately Catholic (Brazil and Mexico)

  I also agree that most JW converts are ex-Catholic.

  I think this is because those who remain Catholics (i.e. not those free-thinking rebels who leave the religion in their teens) are used to, and not uncomfortable with, a high-control, high-commitment religion, so the transition to JW is not as difficult as for Protestants. It may be an unfait comment, but I suspect Catholics are not taught--in respect to their religion anyway--to question authority or to think for themselves, but simply to accept everything they are told.

  Thus, in my experience, most 'good' Catholcs are also very 'nice,' humble, honest-hearted people. This makes them ideal fodder for the JW recruiters.

  Regards,

  Ken
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  have you become a Christian since leaving the JW's.....if so why?

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many people i have spoke to on this site have found that becoming part of a christian group since leaving the witnesses has been of benefit to them.

  i must admit at times i have considered visiting other churches or religions, but have not acted upon it.

  but i am curious as to what's out there.. can anyone enlighten me?.

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  Sassy,
  
  > For me right now, I am not ready to trust any religion.
  > It is hard to believe that what I thought was a good
  > foundation was pulled out from under me. If there is a
  > God and I am not saying there isn't, I think he
  > understands after what I have been through.. if it is
  > so.. then the time will be right.. but in the mean time
  > I am going to focus more on healing.
  
  Thank you for your post. You expressed, far better than I would have, precisely how I feel.
  
  Regards,
  
  Ken
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  Why men are happier...

  by IT Support in

  1. social
  2. humour

  your last name stays put.

  the garage is all yours.

  chocolate is just another snack.

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  myauntfanny:
  LOL! A great comeback!
  
  ((Flyin':))
  Sorry you're feeling down just now. I tried looking through your past posts to see if you'd
  spoken about it, but sumfink's wrong at Simon's end just now. I'm not mad at you!
  
  LT:
  Who's got a smug grin, then?!! Speak for yourself! I HATE wearing the kilt--it's far too hot
  and sticky 'down under' to wear for any length of time--maybe it's just me. :-)
  
  Regards,
  
  Ken
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  Why men are happier...

  by IT Support in

  1. social
  2. humour

  your last name stays put.

  the garage is all yours.

  chocolate is just another snack.

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  toota:
  
  Welcome!
  
  >> You only have to shave your face and neck.
  > True, but in a few more years (more or less) you'll
  > probably want to add nose and ear hair to that list.
  
  Touche!
  
  Dan-O:
  
  > I always figured it was 'cause even though a woman
  > doesn't have a penis, with what she does have, she
  > can get all of 'em that she'd ever want.
  
  Too true! Ah, the inequality of the sexes...!
  
  blacksheep:
  
  Come on, what's keeping you. We want to hear.
  
  santacruzchick:
  
  While most men (I hope) would deplore the way a minority of men treat women,
  I disagree with the basic premise of the poem that this is a "male privilege."
  
  Let's not forget, guys, that this was posted on the Humour topic... :-)
  
  Regards,
  
  Ken